If there is no god or supreme god standard then all things are permitted BECAUSE all morality is relative?


Jimmy C

Not true. Society would not survive without a sense of morality, even among those who have never heard of a god, so it is built into us. We all know when something is right or wrong.

Zulcan The Great.

Non sequitur.


Morality is relative, relatively speaking. I think you understand moral relativism in a very shallow manner. In simple words, and in a very simplified version, moral relativism means all societies and individuals within them judge right and wrong within the intellectual bounds of the society they inhabit. So no moral relativism doesn't lead to anarchy.


You are delving into moral relativism dressed up in religious clothing. Regardless of what anyone says, there are moral absolutes. Murder is wrong at all times and in all places. Same for rape. Same for willingly and needlessly inflicting physical or mental harm on someone. If anyone thinks differently, let someone murder them or someone they love. Let someone rape or molest them and you will see just how fast they turn from being a moral relativist to a moral absolutist. As for God, if you believe in him, then you know (assuming you've read his book) that one day He is going to hold judgment on you. That's probably not the time to argue that you were a moral relativist in this life. I don't think you'll escape the consequences.


Permitted by whom? I don't think you understand what "all morality is relative" means. It doesn't mean that all things are permitted. It means that every individual decides, within their own minds, what is, and what isn't, permitted. In the minds of some individuals, the act of murdering a random stranger is permissible. In the minds of other individuals, such an act is impermissible.


No, dumbass. That's incorrect. Religion is not the sole arbiter of moral standards. An a-religious society would still impose moral standards and would not permit all things. This can even be seen in the animal world that, arguably, has no concept of God or a Supreme Being. Without clearly delineated codes of behavior, no society can exist for long.

Dont Call Me Dude

False. If the only reason you don't murder and cannibalize your grandma is because you think that if you do, your imaginary friend will turn you over to "His" Special Assistant In Charge of Torture, the problem isn't abstract "morality" -- it's YOU.


If there are no supernatural beings orchestrating the rules of the universe then they are ours to make, yet I've rarely seen Atheists make use of this agency. If you follow a religion then of course the rules of your religion and the rules of the universe in your reality should be one and the same.


To live and let to live ...


Even if there is no God in this universe, moral and justice are necessary for peaceful and happy life of human beings. God never bothers who believes in Him. God doesn't watch each and every human being at the same time and cannot live with each and everyone to guide them. These works are done by the spirits. God had created different kinds of spirits for various purposes. He had made the spirits to watch, guide and determine the destiny of the human beings from their daily activities, talks and thoughts too. Your past determines your present and your present determines your future. God has given freewill to all creatures including human beings. According to this, all human beings have all right to live a life as they wish. But if it happens to be bad and hurts someone, they have to face the consequences. These consequences are created by spirits. It's a natural system. After death no one lives in any form. Heaven and hell are only for spirits, not for human beings. Spirits are separate elements. A human being is not a single spirit. A human being doesn't have a spiritual body. A human being during his/her lifetime is living with many spirits which have joined one by one since birth. They are knowledge, intelligence, skills, feelings, emotions, interests and everything. Even thoughts are not your own. For example, when you want to take a decision on a subject, one after another the spirits think and you just listen, choose or reject the ideas which they transmit to your mind through your brain in the form of thoughts. Brain is just a media to connect the spirits to your mind. A mind is just a computer's mind. After the destruction of a computer completely you will not get it's mind. The same is the case with the human beings. Soul is nothing but an energy needed for the functionality of a body. It is not a spirit or anything else. All human beings are just robots made of flesh and bones and toys of the spirits for their games.

Mr. Interesting

CERTAINLY, there are no gods and no supreme god standard. Because all morality is relative to our own reality, many things are never permitted or considered acceptable. Our struggle for survival and straight-up logic are the basis for the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have done unto you".


The True bond of Love is as universal spiritual glue. Literally holds all adventures together in a balance enlightened for pleasure. Disbelief? Look at the sun today if no overcast as your enemy of all life burns in a lake with no glue but at the center.


The bubble we live in is small in comparison to other bubbles. It is just that we are so small that our bubble seems to be the whole universe. But how can the whole universe have a beginning? It can't. But an event within the whole universe, a big bang, can and does happen as we can well see.


If you think that the fear of God created true morality then you are a child with very limited understanding.Everything that man has made is relative because it is thought based.


Like someone said to the effect that if God (God is capitalized and isn't one of the Greek gods or angels) didn't exist He'd have to be invented. That's because morality is innate because we have a soul with a consciousness that has evolved intelligence that could even come up with the concept of morality. When survival is the key word in the animal kingdom, it becomes ingrained in our egos and is the ethos that we live by in which we don't want to die, especially by the unnatural act of another. People like to say that morality is relative and non-existent, when everything is actually that way, because we have antisocial overt-withholds that we think someone may have found out about, and that makes us anxious, scared, withdrawn and violent with tendencies to run away. So by invalidating morality, we invalidate our antisocial overts.


Many would suggest that moral relativism is merely a cover or pretense for immorality.


Refresh my memory - when did Lenin or Stalin say "From now on, all things are permitted?"


If there is a god, then wouldn't he send updates to the moral code instead of wanting us to rely on 2000 year-old texts that were not written by him?


Makes sense