Why is the Shroud of Turin still venerated?

Carbon dating proved that it could not be what it is claimed to be. Other analysis showed that the head did not belong to the body, and that a shroud laid over the face of a body would not leave such an undistorted image.


They are desperate for some kind of a holy relic. The trouble is, whenever they claim to have one it is found to be a hoax. The Shroud was not only determined to be a hoax, but the way it was made has been duplicated. There are various theories of who might have made it and why. Da Vinci is a suspect.


It just goes to show that religion is blind faith without evidence, void of reason.


I guess they need something...anything.


Some people don't care one bit about facts.

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Religion is story telling, it is almost unrelated to reality and it is not bound by reality, facts or common sense.


Cos stupid people are stupid? Is this a trick question? ~


"Carbon dating" is nonsense. But the "shroud of turin" is nonsense as well. It is a fraud, a hoax. . ----- The truth is that Jesus loves you and wants to bless your life freely :) Most of all, Jesus wants you with Him forever, and not in hell. The truth is that every belief except one will lead to eternal torment in the lake of fire for every person. Because nothing pays for our sins except the death and blood of Jesus, the sacrifice of Jesus that is already accomplished by Him . Jesus loves you! The truth is that Jesus is God, and Jesus died on the cross to pay for all of our sins in full, and then Jesus resurrected from the dead. Nothing else pays for our sins, not works, not deeds, not religions. So the only way to heaven and to avoid hell, is by believing in Jesus for eternal life (John 6:47), without adding any of your own works (Romans 4:5). Believe in Jesus to take you to heaven, and you will be in heaven, no matter what, guaranteed. That easy, thanks to Jesus! Tell Jesus that you thank Him that you will be with Him in heaven when you die, because you believe in Jesus! It is too late to be saved, after death.


Because religious people believe based on what they *want* to be true, not what is actually true.


There have been some questions about the validity of the carbon dating in the past as well as the objectivity of the other analysis. Look, I don't buy the authenticity of the Shroud for a second. Jesus was only buried in it for three days. That's not enough time for a body to leave that kind of imprint. And there's no reason to believe his Resurrection would release enough heat or other EM radiation (or any EM radiation at all, for that matter) to leave any sort of mark on his burial cloth. But if you honestly believed something like that was Christ's burial cloth, it would be very difficult to let go of that. It would be easy to find a reason to doubt the carbon dating. You could easily question WHY anyone thought the head didn't go with the body. (Even I'm not sure how anyone came to THAT conclusion.) You could come up with all kinds of reasons why you had just front and back imprints. Again ... I don't think the Shroud and the body of The Incarnate Christ were ever in the same room (or century), but that doesn't mean I'm going to ridicule and insult those who do. It is a far more appalling an act to hurl insults at those who believe in The Shroud than it is to believe in The Shroud.


Because some people believe in those type of relics they do not care if the Turin Shroud is a fake. Curiously that was the verdict of Catholic Bishop Pierre d’Arcis who tell the Pope it was “a clever sleight of hand” by someone “falsely declaring this was the actual shroud in which Jesus was enfolded in the tomb to attract the multitude so that money might cunningly be wrung from them”. Admittedly, since Bishop d’Arcis was writing in 1390, to Pope Clement VII, this is not exactly new news. Since some have refused to believe the bishop’s findings, or the 1988 carbon dating showing the shroud was from the medieval, not the Biblical era, or the subsequent debunking of claims disputing the carbon dating, scientists today are still studying the Turin Shroud, and they are still concluding the same it is fake. The latest a BPA [Blood Pattern Analysis] Approach to the Shroud of Turin concluded: “The BPA of blood visible on the frontal side of the chest (the lance wound) shows that the shroud represents the bleeding in a realistic manner for a standing position while the stains at the back—of a supposed post-mortem bleeding from the same wound for a supine corpse—are totally unrealistic.” Dr Borrini is himself a Catholic – albeit one who does not need the shroud to bolster his faith.


Stupid people still exist.


It's an old rag.


I've been following the shroud of Turin since I was 9 years old there is lots and lots of claims about the shroud of Turin without stepping to one side or the other. Here is the fact on the shroud of Turin. Tests have revealed that the oldest fibers in the shroud of Turin is 2000 years old and that the newest fibers in the shroud is 500 years old testing reveals that the cloth has been patched over 30 times in the last two thousand years. There is still no proof how the image got embedded into the shroud of Turin cloth and the other cloth that is associated with the shroud of Turin. Still we people that's calling it a fake and people that still calling it the burial cloth of Jesus. From the marks on the cloth it's consistent with a person that was beaten and crucified that's all I can say about it. I don't venerate the cloth it's an interesting artifact!


The shroud, measuring 14 feet, 4 inches by 3 feet, 7 inches has been Carbon dated in tests by laboratories in Oxford, Zurich and Arizona as dating from between 1260 and 1390. This has not been discredited and stands as true! Shrouds at the time of Jesus were two or three pieces and no record of a single piece shroud has been found! The cloth of shrouds of the time were a simple single weave. The Turin shroud is a far more sophisticated double weave not found before the middle ages! The shroud was easily replicated using materials found to have been used by Leonardo da Vinci who is thought to have been the faker! As Christianity's most disputed relics, it is locked away at Turin Cathedral in Italy and further tests have been refused. If it was genuine why refuse test that might confirm that?! The Catholic Church does not claim the shroud is authentic nor that it is a matter of faith, but says it should be a powerful reminder of Christ's passion. People who claim it is genuine tie it so closely to Christianity that as more and more proof shows it to be a forgery and a hoax that is how Christianity will be seen!




1) Why is the Shroud of Turin still venerated? Because there are still people who believe it is the authentic shroud of Christ. 2) Carbon dating proved that it could not be what it is claimed to be. Not true. You use the word "proved" very...cavalierly. There is considerable *reasonable* doubt concerning the accuracy of the carbon dating tests done. (Note that I, personally, believe that it is most likely a fraud...but that does not keep me from recognizing the real, potential problems with various scientific tests that have been performed on the Shroud. Note that several of those scientific tests have produced results contrary to the carbon dating!) 3) Other analysis showed that the head did not belong to the body, and that a shroud laid over the face of a body would not leave such an undistorted image. See 2) Unfortunately what we have here is a case of several scientific tests being done (over a dozen different, I believe) and very little agreement among them. Obviously SOME of them are wrong and there **are** reasonable grounds for questioning the accuracy of each and every one of them (especially since there is so little agreement among them).


In the Bible, the head was wrapped separately.


It is called clutching at straws.

No Chance Without Jesus

carbon dating is hardly conclusive, especially in this date range. Just saying. And there have been spores found on the shroud that "date" back to the time and place of Nicodemus' tomb. It would be more correct to say that nothing definitive has been proven either way. I do not believe in it, but I will not dismiss it out right without verifiable evidence

Chi girl

You're behind the times. A previous examination was mistakenly done on a section repaired after a ire in the Middle Ages. The most recent one found pollen from the time of Christ. And you're wrong about the image. Google it.